Welcome to indoctrination, a weekly conversation series about protecting yourself from systems of control.

I'm your host, Rachel Bernstein.

Hello, everyone.

I am so happy to be speaking with you again this week.

I know it's been an interesting time all over the world.

So much is happening. And also wanted to let you know that I have been getting some emails

about the podcast to my personal email address that are from people who are listening to it in Germany and in Austria

and in areas that are still reeling from and healing from World War II. And that's what they are

writing to me about, that they're seeing an uptick in

the kind of rhetoric and the kind of movements and the kind of othering that happened during, uh, sometimes not their lifetime, but their

parents or grandparents' lifetime, but that they remember hearing about. And that it's been

quite troublesome. If this is something that you want to write about or have me speak about more. I am happy to.

It's something that our podcast cares a lot about. And again, that's not necessarily why it's

just about cult groups, but it's about cultic thinking and cultic persuasion and coercion and group think and conformity.

So please be in touch if this is impacting you as well.

For today, we have Penny Lane. She is a survivor, a writer, a wife, and mother, with an insatiable

passion for life and books. Originally from Jackson Heights, Queens, she is the author of the

recently published memoir, Redeemed, a memoir of a stolen childhood, a gritty, ultimately uplifting memoir about a

happy-go-lucky girl who was unexpectedly snatched away from her All-American home by her long-lost

immigrant father. In her spare time, she volunteers in food pantries and other non-profits near her home

in Mill Valley, California. You can find out more about Penny and her work at www.com. We had a wonderful

conversation, and I'm so glad you get to hear it.

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