This is the Jocco Unraveling Podcast episode 20 with Darryl Cooper and me Jocco Willink.

So Cloud Screts who oddly enough, the most famous book on war possibly.

One or two, one or two.

I have a Chinese gentleman might have something to say.

So one of the few military strategy books I haven't covered on Jocco podcast is CrossWoods.

And probably people started to figure out why when I started covering BH Label Heart.

And if you want to know about that, just listen to my podcast where I dive deep into the

strategy of indirect approach, which is as he put it, a philosophy of life, not just battle,

not just war, but of life of interacting with any time the human mind is opposed to another

human mind.

The strategy of indirect approach comes into play every time, which is very strange because

no one expects that.

No, and believe me, the feedback that I get, I'll put out a little clip where I'm saying,

you know, take the indirect approach when you're dealing with someone and people go berserk.

That's deceitful, that's not efficient.

No, go listen to the whole podcast, go read the book actually.

But Cloud Screts, you know, we can't throw the baby out with the bath water.

He was trying to put stuff together at a different time.

So he did say things that made sense.

One of the things that he said that made sense was war is politics by other means.

And that's pretty straightforward, pretty straightforward, that armed forces exist as a backstop

when other methods of settling a dispute have broken down, right?

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