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🗓️ 1 July 2025
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The Supreme Court has made life more difficult for trans children, who are already among the most marginalized groups in the country.
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0:00.0 | We'll hear argument this morning in case 23477, United States v. Scrametti. |
0:09.4 | Hey, everyone. This is Leon from Prologue Projects. And if I sound a little bit different today, |
0:14.6 | that's because I'm in the car with my dog, because I forgot to record this intro before I left. |
0:19.2 | I'm sorry. On this episode of 5 to 4, Peter, Riannon, and Michael are talking about United States v. Scrametti, |
0:26.7 | a recent case about transgender rights. |
0:29.8 | A few years ago, Tennessee passed a law banning gender affirming care for minors. |
0:35.1 | Three families with transgender children sued, arguing that the law discriminates |
0:39.6 | based on sex and is therefore in violation of the Equal Protection Clause. The Supreme Court ruled |
0:45.8 | that the Tennessee law does not violate the Equal Protection Clause because it does not discriminate |
0:50.4 | based on sex, but rather age and reason for treatment. The Supreme Court is upholding Tennessee's ban on gender-affirming care for transgender minors. |
1:00.0 | In a 6-3 decision today, the Justice has ruled that the state's law, which prevents children from accessing |
1:06.0 | treatments like puberty blockers or hormone therapy did not violate the Constitution's equal protection |
1:12.0 | clause. |
1:13.0 | This is 5 to 4, a podcast about how much the Supreme Court sucks. |
1:18.6 | Welcome to 5 to 4, where we dissect and analyze the Supreme Court cases that have sent our |
1:24.0 | civil liberties down in flames like Andrew Cuomo's mayoral campaign. |
1:27.9 | Bye. |
1:29.5 | I'm Peter. |
1:30.1 | I'm here with Michael. |
1:31.1 | Hey, everybody. |
1:32.2 | And fresh from the Middle East, Rianan. |
1:34.8 | Hi. |
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