The DOGE Cases
5-4
Prologue Projects
4.6 • 3.2K Ratings
🗓️ 17 June 2025
⏱️ 54 minutes
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Summary
The Supreme Court allowed the 20-somethings at DOGE to access your Social Security information. What's the worst that could happen?
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| 0:00.0 | Hey, everyone. This is Leon from Prologue Projects. On this episode of 5 to 4, Peter is joined by Friends of the Show Jay Willis from Balls and Strikes and journalist Josie Duffy Rice to talk about two recent Supreme Court cases involving the Department of Government Efficiency, otherwise known |
| 0:21.9 | as Doge. |
| 0:23.2 | The first case, Social Security Administration, the American Federation of State, County, |
| 0:28.3 | and Municipal Employees, is about Doge asking for access to social security information |
| 0:33.1 | and other highly sensitive information about the American public. |
| 0:36.9 | The second case, U.S. Doge Service v. Center for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, |
| 0:41.7 | is about the federal watchdog group, Crew, requesting information about Doge under the Freedom of Information Act. |
| 0:48.4 | The Supreme Court ruled that Doge can have access to private social security information, |
| 0:53.5 | but Crew cannot access internal information about Doge. This access to private social security information, but crew cannot access internal |
| 0:55.5 | information about Doge. |
| 0:57.3 | This is 5 to 4, a podcast about how much the Supreme Court sucks. |
| 1:04.6 | Welcome to 5 to 4, where we dissect and analyze the Supreme Court cases that have forced |
| 1:09.3 | our civil liberties to sleep on the ground, like the National Guard in L.A. I'm Peter. I'm here with Jay Willis. |
| 1:15.4 | Hey, everyone. And Josie Duffy Rice. Hi. Michael had to take the week off. And then Riannon is marching to Gaza. |
| 1:25.9 | He joined a humanitarian march to Gaza. And so I thought, this is a perfect |
| 1:30.5 | time to ask the question, could I do it? Could I just do it with two other people? Could I just |
| 1:36.5 | could I do it myself? You know what I mean? Do I even need those two? Maybe not, right? Maybe it's |
| 1:42.9 | all Peter at the end of the day. So I wanted to |
| 1:46.7 | keep it going. Smart. You know, keep the ball rolling. And so I thought I'd have you two on once again, |
| 1:52.0 | unpaid. I was going to bring that up, actually. You can bring it up all you want. |
| 2:00.1 | Last time I filled in for a host, I think it was Peter. |
| 2:05.1 | So I guess continuing the same spirit, I'll assign myself Michael this time because, yeah, |
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