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Conversations with Dr. Jennifer

Understanding the Enneagram | Q&A with Ian Morgan Cron

Conversations with Dr. Jennifer

Dr. Jennifer Finlayson-Fife

Education, Sexuality, Self-improvement, Health & Fitness, Mental Health

4.71K Ratings

🗓️ 1 April 2026

⏱️ 51 minutes

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Summary

We tell ourselves stories about who we are — and most of us have been telling the same ones since childhood. The Enneagram doesn't just teach us about our personality type, it exposes the story underneath it. Through the Enneagram we can learn why we cope the way we do, what we're afraid to lose, and what's possible when we're willing to loosen our grip on the narrative that's been organizing our life. In this Q&A episode, Dr. Jennifer Finlayson-Fife is joined by bestselling author, psychotherapist, and Enneagram teacher Ian Morgan Cron to explore how the Enneagram can transform the way we understand ourselves and the people we love. SAVE $200 on all of Dr. Finlayson-Fife's domestic multi-day retreats with code JFF200 SAVE 15% on Ian's Enneagram Assessment and Online Courses with code ROOMFORTWO

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so much of self-awareness is just the ability to monitor and regulate in real time how you

0:09.0

are responding to life and how the way you show up for life is landing on other people in the

0:16.0

moment. We should ask ourselves, what does love require me right now?

0:22.7

Hey, everyone. In today's episode, I'll be discussing the Enneagram with best-selling author and

0:27.8

Eniogram expert Ian Morgan Cron. The Eniogram is a personality assessment that can help

0:33.6

cultivate more self-awareness and personal growth. I found it to be really valuable for both understanding myself, my kids, and my spouse,

0:42.9

as well as my relationships with them.

0:45.3

You can learn more about the eneogram by visiting Ian's website.

0:49.1

He's also offering our listeners 15% 15% off of his eneogram assessment and courses with the code room for two,

0:57.8

one word. Click the link in the show notes for details. I hope you enjoy the conversation as much as I did.

1:07.5

Hi, Ian. Thank you so much for being on. My pleasure.

1:11.9

Well, let me just introduce you to everybody and then we'll jump in with some of the questions and so on.

1:16.5

But we're really excited to have you here, Ian.

1:19.0

Ian Morgan Cron is a best-selling author, psychotherapist, aneagram teacher, Episcopal priest,

1:25.6

and the host of the wildly popular podcast typology, which has over

1:30.7

20 million downloads.

1:32.2

His books include the Enneagram Primer, The Road Back to You, which has sold over a million

1:36.9

copies, the novel Chasing Francis, the spiritual memoir, Jesus, my father, the CIA, and me,

1:46.3

the story of you and Eniogram journey to becoming your true self and his newest book, The Fix,

1:50.4

How the Twelve Steps Offer a Surprising Path of Transformation for the well-adjusted,

1:55.6

the down and out, and everyone in between.

1:58.6

So I first learned really about the Enneagram,

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