Understanding Enneagram Twos: Desire, Boundaries, and Connection with Emily Zeller, LMFT

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Ian Morgan Cron

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🗓️ 31 July 2025

⏱️ 54 minutes

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Summary

What happens when your deep longing to love and be loved gets tangled up with your need to be needed?

In this week’s episode of Typology, Anthony and I sit down with the wonderful Emily Zeller—a licensed marriage and family therapist, certified Enneagram practitioner, and a one-to-one Enneagram Two. Emily brings such honesty and heart as we talk about desire, boundaries, and the tender places in all of us that crave connection.

As we explore the unique energy of the Enneagram Two and unpack the three subtypes—self-preservation, social, and one-to-one—we ask questions we can all sit with: When have you confused being loved with being needed in your own relationships? What would it look like to offer love without trying to earn it in return?

If you’ve ever wrestled with seeking validation, struggled to set boundaries, or simply wanted to understand yourself or a loved one better, you’re going to feel right at home in this conversation. This episode isn’t just for Twos—it’s for anyone longing to grow in self-awareness and bring more compassion and balance to their relationships.

🎧 Listen in and join us as we reflect, laugh, and get real about what it means to be human. And as you listen, consider: where in your life is love inviting you to simply rest and receive?

Follow Emily on Instagram: @EmilyZeller
Learn more at: zellertherapy.com

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0:00.0	Hey folks and welcome to Typology, the show on which we explore the mystery of the human personality and the human adventure all through the lens of the Enneagram.
0:12.7	My name is Anthony Skinner, your producer and co-host. So happy to have you here today, folks. We've got a great guest.
0:18.8	Emily Zeller, she's a licensed, marriage and family therapist,
0:21.8	certified Nigramm practitioner through the Chestnut Pais Academy and the founder of Zeller and
0:27.6	company therapy. She's known for her deep integrated work with high achieving women dealing with
0:32.8	anxiety and with couples longing for deeper connection. We do a deep dive into the Enneagram today with Emily.
0:40.4	She is a one-to-one Enneagram 2,
0:43.8	which makes for an incredible conversation around desire, boundaries, care,
0:47.5	and the drive to be deeply needed.
0:49.4	We talk about it all, folks, today.
0:51.7	This one's rich, vulnerable, and full of practical insight for you all.
0:55.4	So glad you're here. Hey, that's it for me, Anthony Skinner. And now, without any further ado,
1:00.6	here is the man of the hour, Ian Kron.
1:21.4	Hey, everybody, please welcome our new friend, Enneagram 2, subtype one-to-one Emily Zeller therapist, extraordinary.
1:27.2	We'll talk more about all the wonderful intentsives she does using cognitive behavioral therapy, the Gottman method, and the
1:28.7	Antigram to help people break patterns and rebuild trust and connection. Emily, welcome to typology.
1:34.7	Thank you so much. I am so excited to be here. Well, we are delighted that you're here. And I'm
1:40.2	really excited today to talk about twos because I had an interesting experience today at Lady Bird Taco on 10th Avenue here in Nashville, Tennessee.
1:49.0	Great tacos, by the way.
1:50.3	Go get your breakfast there, people.
1:51.7	Oh, my gosh, it's such good tacos.
1:53.5	Anyway, there was a young woman behind the counter.
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