This is CBS I In The World. I'm John Batser, Ukraine conflict. The options ahead in this

the second year of war, springtime. I welcome Colonel Jeff McCawson, the United States Army

retired CBS News, visiting Professor Dickinson College as well as the CEO of Diamond Six

Leadership and Strategy. Jeff, I'm following the reporting from the Institute of the Study

of War. Three options put on the table, surprising no one. One option for Ukraine, for Keith,

is to offer surrender terms that look like a negotiation, something like Minsk-2 from

2015. The Donbass is an independent agent. The Russian forces maintain security along

the frontier. Their supervision in some fashion and Ukraine begins the rebuild of the part

of the country left to it with a martial plan scale from the European Union and the United

States. That's one option. Your response to that option, Jeff.

Well, good morning, John. You know, Fred Eklay wrote a famous book about wars ending.

And in that book, Eklay, I think clearly laid out wars come to an end with one side of

the other changes their goals. And it seems to me, in this case, neither side has changed

their goals. In fact, their goals have been, have many ways hardened. If you look at it

in their perspective of Zelensky, a recent independent poll suggested that 74% of all Ukrainians

said we should pursue this war until we recover all our territory, even that lost in 2014.

And 97% were convinced that Ukraine was going to win. Now, that just maybe velocity or

over optimism, but that is the attitude. So it seems to me from Mr. Zelensky's position,

if nothing else, to now negotiate with the Russians, would be political suicide for him. On

the other side of the equation, of course, Mr. Putin. And it may be the same for him at this

particular point. This war may have become existential for his position in power. But I think

he certainly believes that he can prolong this war indefinitely based on perhaps limitless

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