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Ukraine conflict. A stark headline from Europe in these last 24 hours. IAEA director general

meets Russian officials in Moscow, the subject, the Zapparizha nuclear power plant in a combat

zone, the largest in Europe. At this point, there is no rendering of either safety or risk

management or the future for a nuclear power plant that, if damaged in the wrong way, will

affect not only the immediate region, but the Black Sea Basin. I welcome Henry Sikolsky,

the executive director of the Non-proliferation Policy Education Center. Henry, the comments

from Europe do not suggest a way forward. We've talked about this for some time and you

have recently written very carefully about what you think needs to be done immediately

or near two. First, what is the reluctance of the Russians to agree to the proposals

by the IAEA? They are members of the United Nations Security Council and I believe the

deputy director or an official at the IAEA is a Russian national. So what holds the

Russians back from solving this? Good evening to you.

A good evening. I think it's more the Ukrainians. The Russians are eager, apparently, to close

with few differences there may be because I think they sense they might get a pretty good

deal. The Ukrainians, they claim the Russians claim, are the problem. Reading between the

lines, I think what the Ukrainians are concerned about is the continued insistence of the

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