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#Ukraine: Moscow POV: Discord. Professor H.J. Mackinder, International Relations. #FriendsofHistoryDebatingSociety

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🗓️ 28 May 2023

⏱️ 12 minutes

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#Ukraine: Moscow POV: Discord. Professor H.J. Mackinder, International Relations. #FriendsofHistoryDebatingSociety

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0:00.0

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0:15.0

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0:20.0

This is the Friends Vistory Debating Society, I'm John Bacheler.

0:24.0

Moscow, Moscow's announcements to sending tactical nukes to Minsk, is not entirely surprising, but then again it is, because Moscow is dispatching nuclear weapons to a country without them.

0:39.0

That's extraordinary. That's not something that happens routinely.

0:43.0

At the same time, Moscow is responding to the raid across the Ukraine border into Russia, at Belgorod by a group calling itself anti-Putin Russian patriots.

0:58.0

They have many names for themselves. Both those incidents require attention by Professor H. J. Mackender, International Relations, six cities, six points of view. Moscow seems cluttered with events.

1:11.0

Professor, very good even to you. Belgorod and nukes to Minsk. How do you see Moscow's point of view after a scattered week? Good evening, too.

1:21.0

Good evening. Well, we have here really two rather distant corners of this single fabric of the Ukraine crisis, which is now spreading, I think, to engulf other states,

1:38.0

unless they are very careful in how they handle it. To me, the Belgorod incident is the more immediately important, because although everybody, or the Russians, I guess they're blaming NATO, they're blaming the Ukrainians, it doesn't really make sense to me that Ukraine or NATO would focus their attention on what are essentially

2:07.0

tactical operations in a complex border region in the upper right-hand corner across the way in Russia from Ukraine.

2:21.0

But this morning, the word was that there weren't just two of these Freikor, these sort of unaffiliated, but armed militia, but they were three of them.

2:33.0

And they seemed to be able, they haven't been caught. If they had been caught, we would have seen them all lined up and executed on TV. That's what the Russians would have done, but they haven't been caught.

2:46.0

And if they keep reproducing at this rate, I don't think they will, but I think with the fact that there are three today versus two yesterday, indicates that there may be a lot of latent support for a Russian nationalism that favors a strong state, but thanks is probably a mistake to send your whole army into a state that poses no threat to you whatsoever.

3:15.0

So this, what this augures, what it may augure is a rising level of domestic unrest in Russia. And we have, of course, you say, well, who would be leading it? Well, it doesn't have a single leader.

3:34.0

The democratically, dear Mr. Navalny is in prison and the democratic forces have never been overwhelmingly strong in Russia, although they may have a certain amount of sympathy, more sympathy among the people that were aware of because they're, of course, it's completely almost completely censored.

3:55.0

But there are, Russia is not like China. I mean, it does have a little corner of freedom and negative or a dissenting ideas do get out.

4:09.0

There are newspapers, there are channels, there is the internet and so forth. I'm not describing a kind of land of sort of Dutch style, complete freedom.

4:22.0

But it is far freer now than it was in Soviet times and it's incomparably freer than China. That doesn't make it free. It just means that the problems are easier to see and people have an easier time finding out about who's who and what's what.

4:42.0

Now, you also have, you say, well, we have these units. Well, who's really behind it? I mean, there've got to be people in the upper reaches of the sort of Russian military state, KGB complex, who have ambitions because the chances are that this, that the Russians are on the way out of Ukraine now.

5:08.0

I think we'll talk in a second about this Ukrainian offensive, but I don't think that there's going to be a kind of bloody sort of grand turned south kind of series of battles.

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