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This is CBS, I am the world, I'm John Bachelor with Colonel Jeff McCawson, my colleague

and friend.

He is CBS news, he is diamond six leadership and strategy CEO, he's a visiting professor

at Dickinson College, and he's an artillery man.

So I come to the perhaps it's heretical suggestion that the battlefield is transforming, is being

transformed as we speak by drones.

And I am not a certain at all that the question I'm asking here makes sense.

But Jeff, there are drones from Turkey, drones from Iran, drones from the US, drones from

especially Russia.

And now we have drones, cheap drones from Russia.

Let me ask first of all, what is a drone to an artillery shell?

Is that in a heretical statement?

No, it's not a heretical statement at all because the drone can be used for strike, a so-called

kamikaze drone.

One of the most effective use of an artillery perspective for a drone is observation, because

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