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Terms apply. I welcome Colonel Jeff McCausen, United States Army retired. Artillery Men, CBS News,

Dickinson College visiting professor professor CEO of Diamond Sixth

leadership and strategy. Ukraine. Story in the Financial Times. It is appalling. Russia uses civilians

as target practice for killer drones. This is the city of Kersan. You will recall that He Herzan was the sign of a Russian advance early in the war, and then

they evacuated before the spring offensive could drive them against the river.

Well, they're back at it, but this time, using drones and mines, small mines, they are

deliberately targeting civilians in their gardens,

they're walking to the store, and dropping drone hand grenades and mines on them,

blowing off feet and hands and destroying people. Why? Practice, we're told. Practice by the drone users who are rookies on the field for the

Russians. There is another motive here. Jeff, a very good evening to you. Harrison Oblast is one of

the oblasts that Vladimir Putin and his Kremlin lieutenants have mentioned must be part of the deal if there is to be one.

Harrison, Zaporizia, Donetsk, and Luhansk along with Crimea.

I am fresh to this kind of cruelty.

Have you ever seen anything like this, Jeff?

Good evening to you.

Good evening to you, John.

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