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#UKRAINE: DEAL DONE. ANATOL LIEVEN, QUINCY

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John Batchelor

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🗓️ 2 May 2025

⏱️ 15 minutes

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#UKRAINE: DEAL DONE. ANATOL LIEVEN, QUINCY
1913 UKRAINE

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0:00.0

This is CBS Eye on the World. Here's John Batchelor.

0:11.5

I welcome my colleague, Anato Levin, the director of the Eurasia Department at the Quincy

0:17.8

Institute for Responsible Statecraft to comment on news swirling

0:22.0

all around us, breaking news. The headline out of the Wall Street Journalist, National Security

0:28.1

Advisor Mike Wals, is asked, well, let me be very careful, Trump to oust national security

0:35.2

advisor, Mike Walsh. So the Walser journalists use the word

0:38.9

oust. And there are reasons given, but we need to go immediately to the other breaking

0:44.7

news because it all will eventually fall together. Russians fighting more intensely despite

0:50.7

cease fire talks, this according to the Ukrainian informant at the front line.

0:56.0

And this meets up with the ceremony in Washington in these last hours, I believe.

1:02.7

The U.S. and Ukraine sign minerals deal sought by Trump.

1:08.1

We'll start there as a picture of what looks to be a peaceful environment

1:13.9

signing documents because Anatole even has written most recently about this mineral steel. It does

1:19.7

connect with war fighting. Anatole, a very good evening to you. Walsh is gone and so we do not know

1:26.9

what the next national security team will look like.

1:30.6

We're told that Mr. Walsh was a hawkish on Ukraine.

1:35.9

At the same time, this minerals deal looks to be supportive of Ukraine.

1:41.4

And then we have Mr. Trump in conversation, in communication with the Kremlin at some

1:47.2

point, making what are said to be rhetorical concessions. And that has allowed the critics of the

1:55.3

Trump administration to accuse that the president is soft on Moscow. Is it okay if I'm confused, Anatole? Good evening to you.

2:03.6

I think it's okay if we're all confused, John.

2:06.6

I mean, I think this minerals deal, though, is a real success for Ukraine.

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