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The Gray Area with Sean Illing

Tyler Cowen interviews Ezra Klein about politics, media, and more

The Gray Area with Sean Illing

Vox Media Podcast Network

Politics, News, News Commentary, Philosophy, Society & Culture

4.511.1K Ratings

🗓️ 6 October 2016

⏱️ 74 minutes

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Summary

A number of you have asked that we turn the tables and have someone interview me for the show. So when Tyler Cowen — economist at George Mason University, blogger at Marginal Revolution, and generalized genius — invited me on his podcast Conversations with Tyler, I said yes, and asked if we could post the discussion here, too. Tyler — whose podcast you should listen to — asks some of the hardest, strangest, most provocative questions of anyone I know, and so this was a lot of fun. Among the topics we discussed:-What we do now that we will reflect on as kind of crazy or unethical in the next few decades-How my video team at Vox has taught me to think about visual stories-The value of making content that’s made to be re-discovered-Why identity as a driver of virality is important to the current online media landscape-The ethics of eating meat, and why I think those attitudes will change fast in the coming decades-My thoughts on how CEOs work and how the job of being a CEO has become its own profession-What I think I’m good at in leading Vox, and how I try to support my team in fostering the things they do-The importance of to-do lists-My biggest talent-spotting tip-Why the government doing clunky, difficult things is sometimes good-How you shouldn’t probably trust my taste in culture, like sports or music-The role of shame in the mediaAll this and so much more on this week’s episode. I hope you all enjoy.Panoply SurveyWe want you to tell us about the podcasts you enjoy, and how often you listen to them. So we created a survey that takes just a couple of minutes to complete. If you fill it out, you'll help Panoply to make great podcasts about the things you love. And things you didn’t even know you loved. To fill out the survey, just go to www.megaphone.fm/survey Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

The following podcast contains explicit language.

0:03.4

So this is a fun extra for listeners of the Ezra Clancho.

0:15.4

Something that a lot of you have emailed me to ask when I've asked for guest suggestions

0:19.4

is that I become the guest, that I let the tables be turned on me and become the interviewee.

0:24.2

Tyler Cohen, the great blogger and economist from George Mason University and the host of

0:29.0

the show Conversations with Tyler, which I really love, had asked me to do an interview

0:33.0

with him and I said yes, but we wanted to release it on this feed too, because I think some

0:37.4

of you all may be interested.

0:38.4

We talk a lot about media, a lot about politics, a lot about what I believe will be a moral

0:43.4

blight on this era in human life.

0:46.1

It's a very, very fun interview.

0:47.4

Tyler is a very, very, very smart guy and an idiosyncratic thinker.

0:52.3

I had to work pretty hard to keep up as you will, I think, find in this episode, but I enjoyed

0:57.7

doing it.

0:58.7

I hope you enjoy it too.

0:59.7

As always, I have three requests for you if you are a fan of the show.

1:03.7

The first is to share it.

1:05.6

Please go on Facebook, please go on Twitter, share, use your email, share the show with your

1:09.7

friends.

1:10.7

My second request is to listen.

1:13.0

If you are a fan of the show, I think you will really like the other podcast I'm a part

1:17.0

of, The Weeds, where I talk every week of Madaglacedos and Sarah Cliff about the hottest

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