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The Gray Area with Sean Illing

The best conversation I’ve had about the election, with Molly Ball

The Gray Area with Sean Illing

Vox Media Podcast Network

Politics, News, News Commentary, Philosophy, Society & Culture

4.511.1K Ratings

🗓️ 4 October 2016

⏱️ 70 minutes

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Summary

This election season has left pretty much everything I thought I knew about politics in doubt. Both parties nominated unpopular candidates, even when they had popular alternatives. One party's nominee isn't really running any ads, and has barely bothered to build a field operation. The same party's nominee says things on a regular basis that would've been — or would've been thought to be — disqualifying in any other year. So it's been weird.One of the best chroniclers of that weirdness has been the Atlantic's Molly Ball. In the latest edition of the magazine, she has a fantastic piece looking at whether Trump's candidacy is proving that most of what's done by campaigns — the ads, the microtargeting, the message-crafting, etc — is just a waste of money. We talk about that, as well as:-Whether there's actually a floor in American politics — if even Trump is remaining competitive, does that mean basically anyone can get 45 percent of the vote?-How Hillary Clinton’s experience within the political system has come hurt her in some ways-Whether we've been fooling ourselves by thinking elections are about policy rather than identity -The difference between Pat Buchanan in the 90s and Trump now-Why some voters are rooting for Trump even if they’re not always screwed by the economy in the way you might think -How current demographic trends are bearing out the anxieties of older white men-What might come after Trump for the GOP, and whether a candidate like him could be replicated in other races-Why high-information voters, especially educated Republican women, are often still undecided-What the liberalism of millennials coupled with the unpopularity of the major parties means for the future of politics in the US-Why Hillary Clinton has so much trouble ginning up enthusiasm among her base-What Molly's learned about human nature after doing a ton of reporting on this presidential campaign cycleThis really is the best conversation I’ve had with anyone about the election yet. Enjoy!We want you to tell us about the podcasts you enjoy, and how often you listen to them. So we created a survey that takes just a couple of minutes to complete. If you fill it out, you'll help Panoply to make great podcasts about the things you love. And things you didn’t even know you loved. To fill out the survey, just go to www.megaphone.fm/survey Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

The following podcast contains explicit language.

0:03.3

Hello and welcome to another episode of The Ezra Client Show.

0:15.0

This episode is the single best conversation about the election that I have had with anybody.

0:20.1

It is with Molly Ball, who is a political reporter at The Atlantic and is one of my favorite

0:25.1

political writers.

0:26.1

I read her work religiously.

0:28.1

She just wrote a piece on a subject that is very close to my heart about whether campaigns

0:32.8

actually matter.

0:33.8

I think one of the things that Donald Trump campaign is forcing us to wonder, or maybe

0:37.6

the Donald Trump non-campaign as the case may be, is forcing us to wonder is whether

0:43.0

all that money that's getting spent on ads and messaging and field games and get out

0:48.6

the vote and all the rest of the constituent parts of a campaign are doing as much to push

0:53.9

candidates over the edge as we think given the fact that Trump is doing almost none of it

0:59.0

and is roughly even with Hillary Clinton, maybe a couple points behind.

1:02.7

So we talk about that.

1:03.7

We also just have a very deep long discussion about Trump, about Trumpism, about what it

1:09.0

means for America right now.

1:10.9

Molly gives, I think, the single best description of his appeal, particularly his economic

1:14.7

appeal that I have heard from anyone anywhere.

1:16.6

I will be thinking about it for quite a long time to come.

1:20.2

We talk about Hillary Clinton to talk about what we've learned about the electorate, whether

1:23.7

there is a floor in American politics, guardrails, whether politics is about ideas or identity.

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