Hi and welcome to the working songwriter. The show where today's best songwriters come to talk shop. I'm your host, Joe Pug.

Each episode here, we host a distinguished guest, and we ask them to go deep on their

inspiration, on their process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So, whether you're a grizzled veteran, still sequencing beats on a vintage lindrum, or else a scrappy upstart,

simply generating beats with AI and then uploading them directly to Spotify, this is your show,

because ultimately it is what every writer seeks most, an ironclad excuse to put off actually writing.

Music most, an ironclad excuse to put off actually writing. Hey everyone, it's the third Friday of 2025, and I thank you for joining us.

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