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The Angry Therapist Podcast

Turn Your Breakup Into a Breakthrough

The Angry Therapist Podcast

John Kim

Mental Health, Health & Fitness

4.61.1K Ratings

🗓️ 25 February 2026

⏱️ 19 minutes

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Summary

A breakup can feel like the end of everything. But what if it’s actually the beginning? In this episode, John shares a deeply personal reflection on fear, identity, divorce, and what relationships are really meant to do in our lives. Inspired by a nostalgic moment listening to “Borderline” by Madonna, he explores how certain songs — and certain people — instantly transport us back to who we were. John challenges the idea that you were supposed to be the hero in someone’s life. Maybe you were the bridge. And maybe they were a bridge for you. He dives into: • Why some relationships are meant to expire • The truth about closure (and why it’s ongoing) • How to stop outsourcing your worth to a partner • The powerful question: Who am I without them? • The difference between your pseudo self and solid self • Why endings are not the opposite of beginnings If you’re going through a breakup — or still carrying residue from one — this episode reframes the pain as instruction. Profound pain carries profound growth. Breakups don’t just take something from you. They expose you to yourself. Key Takeaway Instead of asking why it ended, ask: What was I outsourcing in this relationship that I now need to own? That question alone can change everything. Cultural Note This episode references the song “Borderline” by Madonna as part of a personal reflection. All rights to the song belong to the respective copyright holders. 🎙️ Host Links: 📘 Read John’s new book in progress Sh*t Your Therapist Would Never Tell You on John’s SubStack ⁠HERE⁠ If you’re ready for deeper work, the Secure Self course is available HERE Order John's new book, Break Up. On Purpose,⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ HERE⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow John on Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ HERE⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Find out more about John⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ HERE⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

When was the last time you had space to feel?

0:04.0

With the National Trust, you might just find life standing still under towering trees.

0:10.0

Maybe you'll find connection among the stories of the past,

0:15.0

or a moment to disconnect from it all on a mountainside.

0:20.0

Whatever you're feeling, wherever you are, with the National Trust, you can make space to feel.

0:26.6

But the truth is that bridges in this world are greater than heroes, you know.

0:35.6

And I know it's hard to digest or to really believe,

0:38.3

but maybe you were meant to be with this person,

0:41.3

or if we're talking about a friendship,

0:42.3

you were meant to be friends with this person

0:44.3

for just that period in that person's life or your life.

0:47.3

And that's it, not a day more and not a day less.

0:50.3

And to make sense of it, or else you will feel that it was a waste of time, is to realize that you were a bridge. Man, that song, you know, I'm going to lose my mind.

1:12.6

You just keep on pushing my love over the borderline.

1:19.6

Man, that song, you know, I don't know if there's anything that brings you back faster than a song.

1:26.6

And that song, Borderline by Madonna, snaps me right back into the 80s.

1:32.5

I think I was like 10.

1:34.5

Anyway, I've been scared recently because in the last three or four days, I've been having waves of nausea.

1:44.1

And one of my biggest fears in this life is vertigo.

1:49.0

So vertigo is when the world starts spinning.

1:52.0

It could get so bad that like you could throw up and you're like completely.

1:56.5

I just imagine it you're like it feels like you're in a plain tail spinning downward to earth.

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