This is exactly right.

The courtroom isn't just about justice. It's about power and money and some truly bizarre loopholes.

I'm Michael Foote. And I'm Melissa Malbranche, and we've got a brand new show called Brief Recess, Illegal Podcast.

Every week, we talk about wild tales from court, trials gone wrong, and cases and rulings that shape our world.

Today we're going to be talking about stolen antiquities, all the weird things Melissa found at in a state sale, the crazy conversations I had with the bouncer and J.K. Rowling. We make the complicated clear and the serious, surprisingly fun. From the exactly right network, new episodes of Brief Recess drop every Thursday. Watch Brief Recess on YouTube. Listen to Brief Recess on the IHeartRadio app.

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I'm Kate Winkler-Dawson.

I'm a journalist who's spent the last 25 years writing about true crime. And I'm Paul Holes, a retired cold case investigator

whose work some of America's most complicated cases and solve them.

Each week, I present Paul with one of history's most compelling true crimes.

And I weigh in using modern forensic techniques to bring new insights to old mysteries.

Together, using our individual expertise,

we're examining historical true crime cases

through a 21st century lens.

Some are solved,

and some are cold,

very cold.

This is buried bones.

Music Hey, Kate, how are you today?

I'm well, Paul. How about you?

I am doing good. In fact, I'm looking forward to the Christmas break. I'm going to be in Hawaii for part of that.

Hawaii, really? Yeah.

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