This is exactly right.

If you're looking for your next true crime podcast obsession, truer crime is it.

Host Salicia Stanton goes deeper than the headlines and pulls back the curtain not just on what happened, but why, how it was handled and who got left behind?

Every month brings a new case. They balance well-known cases like the Menendez brothers with stories

you've never heard of, like the talk radio host who was gunned down in his driveway.

There's always a twist, always a surprise, and always something deeper beneath the surface.

True or Crime is airing now. Follow True Crime wherever you get your podcasts and catch new episodes

every week.

I'm Kate Winkler Dawson. I'm a journalist who's spent the last 25 years writing about true

crime. And I'm Paul Holes, a retired cold case investigator who's spent the last 25 years writing about true crime.

And I'm Paul Holes, a retired cold case investigator

who's worked some of America's most complicated cases and solve them.

Each week, I present Paul with one of history's most compelling true crimes.

And I weigh in using modern forensic techniques to bring new insights to old mysteries.

Together using our individual expertise, we're examining historical true crime cases through a 21st century lens.

Some are solved, and some are cold. Very cold.

This is Buried Bones.

Music This is Buried Bones. Hey, Paul.

Hey, Kate. How are you?

I'm doing well. Happy Christmas break. We're going to go away for a little bit for some much needed rest.

I think you need rest more than I do, probably.

Oh, I'm not sure about that. You've got your hands in a lot of different things.

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