I'm John back to a Judy Dempsey of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

She's the editor-in-chief of Strategic Europe and her colleagues write routinely and I recommend you signing up

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Right now this has to do with the Turkish votes.

Simple version is Erdogan's party and power

lost a deal in the vote that was seen as young people

voting against Erdogan's strong man rule.

I know historically that Germany and Turkey have a very good working relationship.

A lot of Turkish migrants are now German citizens, their children are Germans, and I puzzle whether the Turkish

vote, whether Erdogan's setback has any significance at all to the German politics or the German people.

Does it Judy? Do people talk about the history of your two countries?

Of course it's always, it's always out there. It's not a huge issue. It's an issue when Erdogan used to come to Germany and hold big rallies in football stadium,

which the government here in Berlin really didn't like.

And there was a huge outpouring of support for him.

But actually, this time round, Erdogan didn't come to Germany, there were a few rallies, and I think

you know seeing from Germany and seeing from the West there was a kind of wave of the satisfaction

and across Turkey and remember

the Turks who are many who are German citizens now also they send back money to their

families in Turkey and they were worried about a high inflation, it

difficulties for the average worker are retiree to make ends meet.

And they do care about the fundamental freedoms, but essentially,

I think there was just in Turkey at least a jadedness that Erdogan's time has to come to an end.

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