If we're putting shame on top of shame is someone really likely to be able to open up that

narrative that will help us to understand what type of process that person might need to heal from something that has become

very destructive.

Hey everybody, hey everybody, welcome to Therapists and Censert.

This is a podcast that breaks down interpersonal science into practical and understandable tidbits.

And as you listen, I can just imagine little light bulbs of insight appearing above your head.

Absolutely.

You're going to be surprised and touched at what you learn about yourself is you get more

accurate and in-depth view of your mind and your heart and as you figure out those close to you.

Therapist Unsensored brings you decades of experience with interpersonal psychotherapy, relational neuroscience, modern attachment,

and anything else they think will be helpful in healing humans.

Now, hear your co-host, Dr. Ann Kelly, and Sue Marriott. We are going to take a deep dive into the area of addiction.

Such an important topic that touches almost every one of us on some level.

And our guest today are Brad Kennedy,

who is the vice president and executive director of the Driftwood Recovery

Program, also known as a Driftwood Courageous Recovery Program, and Dr. Vanessa Kennedy, who is the

program's director of psychology.

And the reason our guest are on the show

is because I invited them after meeting them

at a professional event where I got into a conversation about their conceptualization of

addiction and I became completely impressed and intrigued to be honest with you

with the depth of knowledge that impressed and

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