That's where things really changed for him and I didn't realize how that was directly a trauma for me too.

Hey everybody, Hey everybody.

Welcome to Therapist Unsensored.

This is a podcast that breaks down interpersonal science into practical and understandable tidbits.

And as you listen, I can just imagine little light bulbs of insight appearing above your head.

Absolutely. You're going to be surprised and touched at what you learn about yourself

as you get more accurate and in-depth view of your mind and your heart and as you figure out those close to you.

Therapist Uncensored brings you decades of experience with interpersonal

neuroscience modern attachment and anything else they think will be

helpful in healing humans. Now hear your co-host Dr. Ann Kelly and Sue Marriott. Hey everybody, this is season 3 and episode 90 I'm Ann Kelly and you know as therapist and his friends

we are often trying to encourage people to open up but sometimes it can be really a hard thing to do.

And today's guest is going to talk about why.

Today, my co-host, Sue Marriott,

is speaking with a best-selling author Robert T Mueller. He is a professor at York University in Toronto

and he's a fellow at the International Society for the Study of Trauma and Disassociation.

You might have even seen his blog in Psychology today, which was called

talking about trauma. So his two books, Trauma and the Avoidant Clients and Trauma

and the Struggle to Open open up are really core to the conversation today.

So he's also a clinician and practices in Toronto, Canada.

Before we get started, we have two new co-executive producers that have signed up with

us with Patreon that we really appreciate and it is Emma Wintersloden and Kathleen Geiger. Thank you so much they are supporting as

Platinum Neuro nerds and you can too just go to Patreon.com backslash

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