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Hey today's episode, we are bringing you a powerhouse a rock star. Her name is

Pat Ogden and she is the director of the Sensory Motor Psychotherapy Institute.

She founded it.

She also is the co-founder of Halcomi with Ron Kurtz.

Now what is Hakomi, that crazy word?

And what is sensory motor therapy.

Why make it complicated, right?

Basically, she is the person who put together,

very originally, more depth psychology

with the body and with somatic awareness, mindfulness, attachment, neuroscience,

it's really great in working with trauma survivors,

including prisoners, people disenfranchised and marginalized groups.

She has a particular interest in multicultural issues, so you'll hear that.

That's fantastic, we're super excited about that. So that's the backstory.

One quick caveat is that the sound is not quite up to, well it's not up to our normal standards.

It's a backup file.

This is the real story.

It's a backup file, but the content was so good

we wanted to publish it.

And for many of you, once you start listening to it

and get acclimated, you won't even notice. But for some of you, to start listening to it and get acclimated you won't even notice but for

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