If you're a couple's therapist and if you're in a couple, you don't get to be complacent.

You don't get to stagnate. You know, I mean in our culture, everybody wants that relationship

where you ride off into the sunset and you're happy forever and all that.

But you don't get that without being tested.

You don't get it without being challenged and with a willingness to grow and a

willingness to change yourself and to learn more about yourself from being

with somebody else.

Therapist Unsensored brings you decades of experience with interpersonal psychotherapy, relational neuroscience, modern attachment, and anything else they think will be helpful in healing humans.

Now, hear your co-host,. Ann Kelly and Sue Marriott.

Hey everyone, this is Ian.

It is our honor to bring to you today Dr. Ellen

Bader and her husband Dr Peter Pearson so these are two very esteemed couple

therapists who are known for the developmental model couples therapy.

So they are the author of Tell Me No Lies and in Search of the Mystical

Mate, an award-winning book that is really an outstanding contribution to marital therapy.

You should check it out.

So they're considered experts in their field and they've been covered in print, radio, television

programs including the New York Times, NPR, The Today Show, and even

Oprah magazine.

I mentioned this because what they have to say I think really resonates with so many people and I think it will

you too. So my co-host Sue Marriott and Ellen and Peter engage in a really wide-ranging

conversation that's grounded in the

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