Trump’s ICE Raids Get SCOTUS Greenlight: Democracy on the Line
The Oath and The Office
Corey Brettschneider
4.9 • 591 Ratings
🗓️ 11 September 2025
⏱️ 72 minutes
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Summary
PLUS: Corey Brettschneider sits down with John Fugelsang to discuss his new book "Separation of Church and Hate: A Sane Person's Guide to Taking Back the Bible from Fundamentalists, Fascists, and Flock-Fleecing Frauds" — why the founders rejected religious imposition, how Christian values can defend feminism, and why the Bible doesn’t justify anti-gay politics.
A jam-packed episode on Trump, the Court, and the fight for democracy and freedom.
https://www.amazon.com/Separation-Church-Hate-Fundamentalists-Flock-Fleecing/dp/1668066890
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome once again to the Oath and the Office podcast starring Professor Corey Brechtner. |
| 0:16.9 | I'm John Fugleseng and I am always so pleased to work with the author of The Oath and the Office and the Presidents of the People, Ivy League Professor and Disco Superstar, Corey Brechtnyder. |
| 0:26.9 | Professor, short intro today, but we have a lot to cover. Welcome. How are you, sir? |
| 0:31.2 | Thanks so much. I wish I was a disco superstar. I'm a huge fan of disco music and a terrible disco dancer, but dare to dream. |
| 0:39.1 | I mean, I have to say at top, it is a special day, not just because we're going to be talking |
| 0:43.5 | about the assault on our democracy and the use of the military and a horrible victory on the |
| 0:48.5 | behalf of the Trump administration. But I have to congratulate you from the beginning, John. |
| 0:53.5 | Of course, we have part two of our discussion and interview about separation of church |
| 0:58.1 | and hate your amazing book that has its birthday today and has just launched. |
| 1:03.4 | And as you know, I'm anxiously like any author watching your numbers grow on Amazon and it looks just phenomenal that the I don't |
| 1:13.8 | understand this world professor you're a real author I'm just a guy who talked my way into a book |
| 1:17.9 | deal I I depend on you to let me know how I'm how I'm doing competing with Charlie Kirk on |
| 1:22.9 | Amazon I need to know that is a great way to look at it because unfortunately so many of the top |
| 1:28.8 | sellers in books, as in media generally, are right-wingers. And your book is an antidote to that, |
| 1:34.9 | a defense of progressive values, liberal in the sense of liberal democracy, and its compatibility |
| 1:41.7 | with Christianity and what a needed idea it is. And I can't wait to talk to |
| 1:46.9 | about it. And it is selling while the American public is already responding. So congrats. |
| 1:52.2 | Well, I'm happy to talk about it, Professor. But obviously, there's a lot we got to get to. |
| 1:56.2 | I mean, Trump wants to send troops after American cities. He wants to fire people he can't fire. |
| 2:01.5 | Epstein's birthday card is really real. And of course, let's begin with this. The Supreme Court, |
| 2:07.2 | in its infinite racism, just ruled six to three that Donald Trump can restart his immigration |
| 2:12.9 | raids in Los Angeles, even if they're based on nothing but race or language. Now, 20 million |
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