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I'm John Batchel with my good colleague, Mary Kessel, Executive Vice President Stevens

Incorporated, former senior advisor to the Secretary of State. Mary has traveled these

countries. I just read about them. I've been to Poland. That's my contribution. From the Balkans to Finland, the NATO

frontier, Russia says it's at war with NATO. I know what the facts are, but that's what Russia says.

That's what Russia repeats to its own people. That's what the volunteers are about. We're a war with

NATO. If we don't fight back, NATO will take us over and turn us into, who knows what the payoff is.

In any event, over these last days, provocation Poland, provocation Estonia, provocation

Copenhagen, the airport said to be shut down or troubled by drones that are directed by unknown actors, and they point east, well east.

Mary, these provocations are you can dismiss them as just Russian gameplay, or you can say they're probing.

There was an article for meeting at Brussels, NATO, last week after 19 or 20

drones crossed into Polish airspace. So far, no announcement of an Article 4 meeting after

the events in Estonia and Copenhagen. What is your measure of what Russia is doing and what

Europe, how Europe is reacting? We have a few minutes.

Well, given Vladimir Putin's history, these incursions have to be taken seriously.

And he follows a pattern.

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