Can you, can you get it? Can you get it to work?

It's, it's a cheap.

You know, why can we start the timer? Why don't we start the timer at zero? It always starts

at three seconds. Well, I'm getting it to zero.

Okay, prepped. Okay, sorry. But now you've already said 15 seconds. I seconds. I'm sorry. I'm saying that people need to know that like, you know, that the timer doesn't work properly. And why is it in Celsius instead of Fahrenheit? This is America. See? Okay. Fighten words. Welcome to the Easton McCauley podcast. I'm your host, Issaam McCauley.

Today we're joined as usual by producer Mike.

Mike, how was your weekend?

It was great, Esau.

Anything fun happened? I saw Project Hill Mary. Oh, was it good? It was great. There we go. I think we talked about that a few episodes back. Go back and check the review. And we also have a first time Holy Post person here with us.

Wait, have you been on the...

Never.

Okay.

Never set foot in the building.

First time Holy Post person here with us? Wait, have you been on the, Never. Never set foot in the building. First time Holy Post guest, Christine Jeske, and she does. She works at Wheaton College. She's a full professor, like newly promoted full professor of anthropology. Anthropology. She knows about people. As my kids say, a real professor. A real professor. Are you a real professor?

Well, my kids say to me about my wife, who's a pediatrician, that she's a real doctor. Yeah. So, like, I'm considered the fake doctor in the family. So I don't know if I'm a real. I'm not a full professor. She ranks ahead of me. So I'm a lowly associate. But she's the author of the book,

Racial Justice for the Long Hall, How White Christian Advocates Can Perceive and Why. That was brave

writing a book for white Christians about race in the year by board. It's clear. This came out.

I started writing it in 2019, but it came out in 2026. So a lot of happened between 2019 and 26 as it turns out. Just a little bit. Yeah. You could have restarted the book. You're going to talk about what it happened during the time that you're writing the book. But we'll get to this a little bit later. But I want to say nothing else. I love this book. Please give her to read. I hope that you get it. We're going to get to this in a second. But can we talk about Justin Bieber first?

We can always talk about Justin Bieber over my book. I mean, why would we not? I think that's what people are. It's going to lead right into it. Justin Bieber is big in the black community. He's like one of those artists who gets like the black coson. He does. Yeah.

Wait, are you disputing this?

I'm just,

are you disputing my assertion about Bieber standing in black America?

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