True Crime Conversations: Eric Carter-Landin, Patrick Hinds, Josh Hallmark
True Crime Bullsh**: The Israel Keyes Investigation
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🗓️ 16 December 2025
⏱️ 48 minutes
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Summary
In this conversation we discuss: gay podcasting, advocacy and compassion in podcasting, dick pics, criticism, the genesis of our shows, our favorite podcasts of the year, and more.
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| 0:00.0 | So for December, a bunch of podcasters are getting together and having what we're calling true crime conversations. |
| 0:08.0 | And I am here today with Eric Carter Landine from AdvocacyCon and True Consequences and Patrick Hines from True Crime Obsessed. |
| 0:19.2 | Hey, guys. |
| 0:20.5 | Hi. And I am Josh Hallmark from True Crime Bullshit |
| 0:24.7 | and Unsafe Spaces. So before we kick off, because I'm sure there are people who are listening |
| 0:30.4 | to this who have not met all of us, why don't you share your origin stories? Why don't we start |
| 0:36.7 | with Eric? |
| 0:41.2 | Yeah, well, mine is a bummer, so it's good to get that out of the way right away. |
| 0:48.1 | My brother was murdered 39 years ago, and I've been fighting for justice for him ever since. |
| 0:56.6 | And so everything I do, everything I have done has been in honor of him and in memory of him. So I started True Consequences in 2019. It's been a very long time since my listeners have heard from me. This will |
| 1:01.1 | actually be the first episode in a long time. So I'm excited to reintroduce myself to everybody. |
| 1:07.1 | But from there, I started a nonprofit called Angels Voices, Silence No More. We helped families of the missing and murdered through grants to help them fund their advocacy efforts. |
| 1:15.6 | And then I also founded AdvocacyCon with a couple of really amazing advocate friends of mine, Whitney and Melissa. |
| 1:22.6 | And yeah, so that's my really fast, really long-winded journey through true crime and into the world of advocacy. |
| 1:32.3 | And Patrick, what about you? |
| 1:34.1 | Hi. |
| 1:34.8 | Well, for me, you know, I fell in love with podcasting as a consumer, you know, like in the 2010s. |
| 1:41.0 | And I wanted to make a podcast, just as like a creative outlet. So I started making theater |
| 1:45.9 | podcast back in like 2014, 2015, met the incredible Gillian Pensavale who was making another |
| 1:54.3 | theater podcast. And we became fast friends. And, you know, we both wanted to, we had been |
| 2:00.7 | talking about making a true crime podcast. And sort of long you know, we both wanted to, we had been talking about making |
| 2:01.1 | a true crime podcast and sort of long story short, we sort of had a different idea for the show |
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