0710 | Undercurrent
True Crime Bullsh**: The Israel Keyes Investigation
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🗓️ 12 December 2025
⏱️ 38 minutes
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This episode was written, researched, and produced by Josh Hallmark.
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| 0:00.0 | This is a studio both and production. |
| 0:17.2 | When it comes to Israel Keys' Washington victims, I've never believed that there were only four. |
| 0:26.5 | And over time, and by paying great attention to how Keyes described these murders, |
| 0:31.6 | I feel fairly confident that I know how Keyes used semantics to mislead the FBI without actually lying to them. |
| 0:40.3 | In those conversations, there's an undercurrent of specificity. |
| 0:44.3 | Throughout the course of his FBI interviews and in his writings confiscated from his cell, |
| 0:49.3 | Keyes essentially lays out the following about his Washington state victims. There were two unrelated |
| 0:55.8 | victims killed on separate incidents and then disposed of using his boat. There was a male |
| 1:03.0 | female couple who were killed during the same incident. The woman was killed first, and Keyes |
| 1:08.6 | accidentally killed the man while trying to subdue him with a shovel. |
| 1:12.6 | At least one of his Washington victims was killed in the eastern jurisdiction of the state, presumably in the area of Ellensburg. |
| 1:22.6 | As best we can tell from the files and audio made available to us, and my conversations with Agent Ted Hala, |
| 1:31.1 | this is all we know for certain about Washington-specific victims. |
| 1:36.0 | But, by Hala's logic, there would have been at least one more, because if Hala truly believes |
| 1:43.0 | Keyes did not commit any murders until after the |
| 1:45.9 | army, the victim ruled accidental would have to be a Washington state victim as well. |
| 1:52.4 | Keyes said that victim was a long, long time ago. |
| 1:56.8 | Additionally, Keyes told us that his first murder went perfectly and just as planned, which would |
| 2:03.4 | rule out the male-female couple where he accidentally killed the male, and it would rule out |
| 2:09.2 | the person ruled accidental, where he didn't have enough time to finish things up and had to leave |
| 2:14.2 | the victim out in the open. So either Halla is right that Keyes didn't murder until after the army, but wrong that |
| 2:22.3 | there are only four Washington victims. |
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