Nothing can justify what's going on in Gaza right now.

No running water, no street lights, there no food, the horrific infections.

The children waking up paralyzed down one side of their body from shrapnel.

Children waking up and crying for their mothers, labelled, wounded child, no surviving family.

This is immoral, this is unlawful. This needs to be stopped. The driver we had

who brought us out on the last day, he was Palestinian. His last words, too, me were, anyone left in Gaza now

is either dead or will be dead very soon. Very chilling words. Hello and welcome to waysays to Change the World.

I'm Krishna Guru Murphy and this is the podcast in which we talk to extraordinary people about the big ideas and their lives and the events that have helped shape them.

My guest this week is Morgan McMonagall, an Irish vascular trauma surgeon who's recently returned from Gaza, where he worked in hospitals under bombardments.

What he witnessed there goes beyond medicine, raising questions about humanity, morality,

and the toll war takes on everyone involved.

Morgan's also been involved in dealing with the aftermath of major incidents,

including the Westminster Bridge attack and the Grenfell Tower disaster.

Welcome. Thank you for coming.

Thank you for having me.

If you could change the world, how would you change it?

Oh, tough question.

I think equity.

I think to create a world that everybody was equal in,

regardless of race, religion, nationality, background, but also economic equity. I'm a firm believer

at the root of all prejudice and racism is really economic prejudice and economic racism.

What did equity feel like in Gaza when you were there? It felt nonexistent.

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