bombing masculine mass starvation. As a Palestinian, I just feel totally helpless. It's impossible to have a

conversation about Palestinian food without talking about starvation. It's really sad because Gaza,

it's a very fertile land and now it's a dead land. What is Palestine to you?

Home?

In your head?

My country, home, my family, where I grew up.

But when we were kids, my mom and dad took us to the hills.

We just go out and forage for different herbs and berries.

Where will these things come from?

In a world in which the settlers have taken over the hills in the West Bank and Gaza has been

destroyed. This is what we need to save.

Hello and welcome to ways to change the world. I'm Christian and Guru Murphy and this is the

podcast in which we talk to extraordinary people about the big ideas in their lives and the

events that have helped shape them. My guest today is the renowned Palestinian chef, author and restaurateur. Sammy Tamimi

is one of the brains behind the hugely successful and influential Otolengi restaurants,

which he launched with his friend and long-time collaborator Yotam Otolengi, who's also been a guest on this

podcast. The pair co-wrote the best-selling cookbook Jerusalem, and more recently, Sammy has written

Palestine and Bustani, a powerful celebration of Palestinian food and culture. He says that in

Palestine, food is political and never more so than right now.

Sammy, welcome.

Thank you very much.

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