I think we've just been programmed.

Look at this country and how it was built.

And it's like produce, produce, produce, produce,

on the backs of other people who are told that's normal,

so then you think it's a luxury to take care of yourself.

And so my whole vibe is like stop making that a luxury and like make it required

and start seeing how your life changes. Let it go. Let it out.

Let it go.

Hi, welcome back. You're listening to Let It Out. My name is Katie Dale about.

This week, you're about to hear a conversation that I recorded just a couple weeks ago with

Jocelyn Kelly Reid.

Jocelyn and I talked over Zoom.

She was in Brooklyn.

I was here in L.A.

And I think this is a good conversation to air this week. I hope you're doing okay wherever you are.

Jocelyn, as you'll hear, unlike me, is a business expert.

I couldn't be further from a business expert,

but we don't spend a ton of time discussing the minutia of business in this episode. So don't worry if you were

worried about that. And if you are bummed about that, also don't worry. Because we talk about

her 15 years of experience in marketing and sales and how now she she does help people around

money and finance, but she does it in a really unique, specific way. She is direct in a way

that I really admire. She's also sensitive and sweet and honest, as you'll soon hear from our conversation.

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