You're listening to the Allender Center podcast with Dr. Dan Allender.

This week, Dan is joined by Kathy Lorzell, executive vice president, to talk about The Tale,

a fiercely important new film from HBO.

Kathy and Dan reflect on what makes this such a unique and groundbreaking movie

and why it's a vital addition to ongoing conversations about childhood sexual abuse.

It's a great honor again to be with a dear, dear friend, a colleague, actually, my boss, Kathy LaRelle.

Hi.

Kathy, good to be with you.

Good to be with you, too, Dan.

Tell our friends what we're going to talk about.

Well, this summer, a movie came out on HBO that took me by surprise.

I was home one night by myself, and I guess it wasn't by myself. I was with my family, but I had a

moment to watch TV, which is a rare thing when you have two little kids. And I turned on HBO,

and there was a scene that captivated

me and I realized it was from a movie called The Tale, which I had not heard of. And I went back

to the beginning and watched it. And it was one of the most excruciating, troubling, confirming

films that I've ever seen in terms of the work that we do here at the

Allender Center.

Well, it's a brilliant film, and you called me and told me rather clearly, you need to watch

this.

This was not a recommendation.

No.

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