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Top Talent Left Zuck for Elon, Cloudflare’s Bold Bet, AI Pilots Keep Failing, and YouTube’s AI Advantage

Marketing School - Digital Marketing and Online Marketing Tips

Eric Siu and Neil Patel

Careers, Business, Marketing

4.61.3K Ratings

🗓️ 4 September 2025

⏱️ 32 minutes

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Summary

In this episode #3035, Eric Siu and Neil Patel discuss the AI talent shift from Meta to Elon Musk’s XAI, the challenges of adopting AI, and the tough truths of angel investing. They also explore YouTube’s Gemini AI updates and why managing talent with a focus on revenue and training matters more than ever. TIME-STAMPED SHOW NOTES (00:00) Elon Musk vs. Mark Zuckerberg: The AI Engineer Exodus (03:01) The Harsh Realities of Angel Investing (05:57) Navigating the AI Landscape in Organizations (08:55) The Future of YouTube: Gemini AI's Impact (11:38) Hiring and Managing Talent in the Digital Age To suggest a topic, go to https://www.marketingschool.io. For more content from Eric and Neil, check out Eric’s Leveling Up with Eric Siu YouTube channel and Neil’s Neil Patel YouTube channel. Connect with Us: Single Grain << Eric's ad agency NP Digital << Neil’s ad agency X @neilpatel, @ericosiu Instagram @neilpatel, @ericosiu Drop Us a Review If You Enjoyed the Episode!

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0:00.0

Elon Musk just stole 18 of Mark Zuckerberg's best AI engineers.

0:04.7

So Zuck has offered his engineers $250 million each to stay at Meta, but Elon gave them

0:09.6

something money couldn't buy and they abandoned meta.

0:12.5

What do you think that was that Elon gave them that Mark couldn't?

0:17.8

Shares in XAI at a really good valuation because Facebook is already worth a lot.

0:24.4

So what are they going to do, double?

0:25.8

You're probably right on the shares, but here's Elon's response.

0:28.4

So he said many strong meta engineers have and are joining XAI and without the need for insane initial comp.

0:33.6

So the key word, initial comp.

0:35.6

Still great, but not unsustainably high. Also, XAI has vastly more market cap growth potential than meta, and we are hyper merit-based. Do something great, and your comp can shift substantially higher. And you've read about this on Twitter. He'll have, young kids going in. If they do an amazing job, he'll promote them quickly. He'll pull in engineers from different areas. If, like, for example, actually, what of, I'm not going to name names here, but someone I know is a friend of a friend is married to a guy that came up with the chopsticks for SpaceX when they land. Right. So you imagine he's doing really well now. But that was just a scenario where he just raised his hand and said, hey, why don't we just, nobody could come up with a good idea on how to land it and said, why don't we just use chopsticks, right? He didn't say it like that, but that's what it ended up being. And so you know just about reading about Elon. It's very merit-based. The other thing, too, is when you work with Elon, you're working on something.

1:28.9

The vision matters a lot.

1:31.6

And you've seen like he's going to sleep in the office.

2:00.9

He's going to do whatever it takes to get there. And he is right. Vastly more market crop growth potential. He gives him more stock. But I think he paints a very compelling mission and vision. and when he's pulling in SpaceX engineers and Tesla engineers to do whatever it takes to build the Colossus factory, you know that this is probably the best visionary founder of our time. Not saying that meta is not interesting and Zuck isn't a great entrepreneur. But I think the fact that, by the way, you want to know some of the last names of these people he's pulling in? Let me tell you. Let me tell you, Neil. You tell me what kind of people these are. Let me guess. They're from China or India. I had to take a guess on the two, probably more from China. You're right. You're right. So Shin-Ley Chen specialized in multimodal AI at Meta. Ching Yao Tweng worked on vision and video. Okay, and Alan Rice, that sounds American to me, manage critical data centers.

2:21.4

And so sometimes it's just not about the initial compensation.

2:25.4

I think the money matters a lot, but I think the long-term compensation and the vision and admission matter to and being able to work with a generational entrepreneur, maybe the best one

2:30.9

is great because I do think Zuck's a generational entrepreneur, but I think Elon's number one.

2:35.6

Yeah, and I don't know how true this is, but speaking of these AI platforms, I was talking to

2:39.6

a VC that was breaking down, what is it called, Anthropic or Claude, right?

2:49.7

Well, I don't know which one's a parent company name.

2:52.1

Anthropics, the parent company, right?

2:53.5

Uh-huh.

3:06.0

And they were talking about their valuation, was it either 70 or 100 or whatever? And they're just like, do you know how much some of these early investors made? And I'm like, I don't know, 10x, 20x, 30x. and he was just saying,

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