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This is John Batcheer. On Thanksgiving, I turned to Ukraine.

Seri Plochi was with me earlier this year.

His new book, The Russo-Ukraineian War,

tells the story of Ukraine and Russia's relationship

for hundreds of years but are particularly the last century leading to this tortured

conflict we have in Eurasia, along with the Gaza War

overwhelming everyone.

In any event, the facts on it

support Ukraine as an independent country.

Always has been, always will be.

It was incorporated into the Russian Empire reluctantly.

Not at all in shape now. This has to do with the Battle of empires the Romanov the Ho and

southern the Habsburg the British Empire as well and how they dealt with each other 17th 18th 19th century.

Seri Ploke is professor of history at Harvard University, Ukrainian history. I've spoken with him several times over the years

very fortunately. We talked about Yalta many years ago. We addressed the Cuban

missile crisis a few years back and now the Russo-Ukraineian War.

I recommend it as background to what promises to be a very difficult and long drawn out conflict, making Europe extremely

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