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deliver room. Geographical restrictions, Ties and C service and delivery fees apply. I'm John Bachelors with Professor Dan Flores. His new book is Wild New World.

The epic story of animals and people in America, we've established that the philosophy

used by the hunters and the profiteers of the 18th and 19th century is still in place and yet in the 20th century there are first small

demonstrated efforts to preserve this or that creature and then large scale and now in the 21st century there's a

recognition naturalism ecology that what was done in order to build America was wrong-headed and it can be corrected.

And it can be corrected.

Over, I want to go to a couple of small successes here that are a joy to celebrate.

The Ivory- Bill Woodpecker, professor, this is such a

surprise because I wrote down in my notes, disappeared, last one, 1940s. Well the the story is it's it's

miraculous but it's also tragic we do think now, according to the Fish and Wildlife Service about a year ago,

that the Ivory Bill is extinct.

There are always people in the South, which was the Ivory Bills original range, who believe they are seeing Ivory Bills.

And so there are endless stories that, and some by you or swap somewhere in the

Carolinas or in Louisiana. There are still some around. But this was of

course America's contribution to our candidate for the largest most

charismatic woodpecker in the world. It was one of our iconic animals from

the colonial period into the 20th century, but it along with a whole host of other

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