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The Lawfare Podcast

'Tomorrow, the World'

The Lawfare Podcast

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Law, Terrorism, History, Politics, News, National Security, Foreign Policy, Intelligence, Diplomacy, International Law, International Relations, Constitutional Law, Rule Of Law, Current Events, Government, Military

4.76.4K Ratings

🗓️ 27 October 2020

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Summary

Jack Goldsmith sat down with Stephen Wertheim, deputy director of research and policy at the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft. He is the author of the new book, "Tomorrow, the World: The Birth of U.S. Global Supremacy." They discussed the surprising World War II origins of U.S. hegemonic militarism, the changes in what it meant to be an internationalist during this period and the domestic political origins of the U.S. embrace of the UN Charter. They also discussed the relationship between Wertheim's book and his work for the Quincy Institute, a think tank devoted to fostering U.S. military restraint.

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I see Trump his presidency, the fact that he was elected in the first place as a symptom

1:18.7

of a crisis of legitimacy of American global supremacy.

1:24.4

Trump when he ran in 2016 was roundly decried by the foreign policy making class in Washington,

1:33.1

both parties as an isolationist.

1:37.4

It seems as though voters either didn't care or felt that that was exactly the confirmation

1:43.5

they wanted that Trump would truly be different once in office.

1:48.5

In actual fact, I think he hasn't been all that different and he also ran always promising

1:53.8

to build up the supposedly depleted US military such that we now spend more than the next

2:00.1

10 militaries combined.

2:02.9

So he's not really an anti-interventionist, but certainly he is appealed to that sentiment

2:09.5

in his runs for office.

2:11.2

So I think this long term trend will continue.

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I'm Jack Goldsmith and this is the LawFair podcast October 27, 2020.

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I sat down with Stephen Worthheim, Deputy Director of Research and Policy at the Quincy Institute

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for Responsible Statecraft.

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