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The Lawfare Podcast

What To Do About Xinjiang

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4.76.4K Ratings

🗓️ 28 October 2020

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Summary

There is a human rights crisis going on in the Chinese province of Xinjiang. The Chinese government has been rounding up minority groups, most notably the Uighurs, and putting them into forced labor and reeducation camps. The government has gone to great lengths to keep Xinjiang away from international attention, and it has had some success in doing so. Jordan Schneider, the host of the ChinaTalk podcast, wrote an essay on Lawfare last week outlining how the U.S. can respond and push back on the Chinese government's abuses in the region. During a live event for ChinaTalk, Lawfare's Jacob Schulz talked through Xinjiang and potential U.S. responses with Schneider and Sheena Greitens, an associate professor at UT Austin's LBJ School of Public Affairs.

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0:00.0

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0:25.6

no bull and the aftermath.

0:32.6

I think just Trump in general has different priorities.

0:36.4

He doesn't care about human rights anywhere, so why would he care about them?

0:39.6

I mean, I don't want to write off the US government's actions entirely over the past few years

0:44.9

with respect to this issue.

0:46.0

There have been an increasing number of sanctions delegations.

0:50.4

There have been a handful of smaller WROs.

0:52.2

I mean, there are clearly people in the US government right now who understand the

0:56.6

awfulness of what's happening in western China.

0:58.9

But when you have a president who doesn't care and has made it clear that he prioritizes

1:07.8

other things, be that trade or domestic politics over raising this as an issue, then it's

1:14.5

by necessity going to end up being one step forward, two step back sort of strategy.

1:22.2

I am Jacob Schultz and this is the LawFair podcast, October 28, 2020.

1:29.5

There's a human rights crisis going on in Chinese province of Xinjiang.

1:33.4

The Chinese government has been rounding out minority groups, most notably the Uighurs,

1:37.5

and putting them into forced labor and reeducation camps.

1:41.6

The government has gone to great lengths to keep Xinjiang away from international attention

1:46.7

and has had some success in doing so.

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