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Impolitic with John Heilemann

Tom Nichols: “Shoot Your Mouth Off & Carry a Pop Gun”

Impolitic with John Heilemann

Audacy | Puck

News, Politics

4.84.5K Ratings

🗓️ 24 April 2026

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

John welcomes back U.S. Naval War College professor emeritus and Atlantic staff writer Tom Nichols to discuss the Iran war at the eight-week mark—where things stand, what comes next, and whether there’s any end in sight. Tom weighs in on Donald Trump’s strategic incoherence and tactical flailing; the embarrassing spectacle of Iran jerking J.D. Vance around; Pete Hegseth's holy roller cosplay and ongoing purge of the military's senior ranks; and Tucker Carlson’s public apology for his role in Trump’s reelection. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:38.3

Welcome to Impolitic with John Homan, a puck and Odyssey joint.

0:42.1

And as the war with Iran hits the eight-week mark, with peace talks stalled, the

0:49.2

straight-uport moods still closed, and Pete Hegseth taking the extraordinary step this week

0:53.5

of firing the Secretary of the

0:55.3

Navy at a time when the United States is engaged in active hostilities abroad. It seemed like the

1:00.8

perfect time to have Tom Nichols back on the show. Tom, of course, is a longtime friend of the

1:06.9

pod and a staff writer at the Atlantic. More to the point, he's a professor emeritus of

1:11.3

national security affairs at the U.S. Naval War College, where he taught for 25 years, an instructor

1:16.6

at Harvard, former Senate staffer, author of books, including the death of expertise and our own

1:21.5

worst enemy, the assault from within on modern democracy. One of the best, smartest and most

1:26.8

relentlessly sensible experts out there

1:28.8

on matters of foreign policy defense and international security, and a five-time undefeated

1:33.8

Jeopardy Champion, something that he is generally quick to remind anyone who's willing to listen,

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