Sebastian Mallaby: The Ghost in the Machine
Impolitic with John Heilemann
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🗓️ 20 April 2026
⏱️ 78 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | Aloha, Namaste, and welcome Tim Politic with John Heilman, a puck and Odyssey joint. |
| 0:12.0 | And if you are a sentient, news-consuming, cell phone toting, laptop-tapping human being in this Their of Our Lord, 2026, you are almost certainly familiar with |
| 0:22.8 | the following three names, Sam Altman, Dario Modi, and Elon Musk. You know that these are the poster |
| 0:29.7 | boys of the AI Revolution. You know that Altman, CEO of Open AI, is the industry's reigning |
| 0:35.8 | black hat, subject of a brutal deep dive in the New Yorker |
| 0:39.8 | a couple weeks back in which pretty much everyone he's ever worked with described him as a |
| 0:42.8 | pathological liar, power mad narcissist and borderline sociopath. You've also been reading |
| 0:48.5 | a lot, hearing a lot recently about Emote, the CEO of Anthropic and AI's new self-styled lone |
| 0:55.9 | ranger, donning a white 10-gallon Stetson as he battles the Pentagon over the deployment of |
| 1:00.6 | the firm's technology for mass surveillance and autonomous legal weapons. And then, of course, |
| 1:06.3 | there's Musk, about whom enough said. But even if you know all of that and more about Altman, Emote, Musk, and their race to rule |
| 1:16.0 | the AI roost, I'd be willing to bet a hefty wad of cash that you don't know much if you |
| 1:20.7 | know anything at all about Demis Hasabas, which is kind of curious for at least two reasons. |
| 1:31.3 | First, Asabas' story is pretty fascinating. |
| 1:32.9 | Born to immigrant parents in London, |
| 1:37.2 | childhood chess grandmaster and teenage video game design prodigy. |
| 1:42.0 | Asabas went on to found an early AI startup called Deep Mind and is now the field general in charge of all of AI at Google. |
| 1:46.7 | Which brings us to the second reason why you really ought to know about this guy and why it's such |
| 1:50.6 | an odd and inexplicable thing that he remains so obscure and undercovered. Given his role at what |
| 1:56.0 | remains arguably the most powerful tech company on the planet and the combination of qualities that caused one source to tell our guest today |
| 2:03.9 | that Hizabas would almost certainly be the first billionaire to also win a Nobel Prize, |
| 2:09.1 | which he did in chemistry in 2024. |
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