Welcome to Off Message.

I'm Isaac DeVairn.

Donald Trump is a D-List president, and his enemies are D-List like Tom Arnold.

And you see how incompetent he is and how dumb and how vulgar and inappropriate

and how he just has no shame. And he's just a bad person. And you go, and how dumbgar, inappropriate, and how he just has no shame.

And he's just a bad person.

And you go, and how dumb.

Did it hit that again?

Today's guest?

Tom Arnold.

Yes, Tom Arnold.

There's a lot that wouldn't have been believable about politics these days.

A lot of things that have come up in my job that don't really make sense.

Except that they do because they're really happening.

A write-up on that list was when I pulled up to Tom Arnold's house in Beverly Hills last week.

We walked through the kitchen into his office and sat down to start recording an interview

about the weirdly integral role he has had in the saga of the legend of all the tapes about Donald Trump

that supposedly exist.

Supposedly.

Many people have looked into those tapes, reporters, political operatives, opposition researchers,

not just the salacious tape from a Russian hotel that was in that dossier we all heard about,

but outtakes from The Apprentice

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