It was Sean Kingsley and Rex Cowan.

John Kingsley, the marine historian, Rex Cowan, the archaeologist and shipwreck hunter,

and both of them have come across the pirate king, the strange adventures of Henry Avery,

and the birth of the golden age of piracy.

There's a scene that they wonderfully present of Tennyson, the man, the churchman, who's at the end of the dead

drop for the letter that we saw Avery writing in Falma.

Tennyson and Defoe and Avery, all Avery in disguise, coming out of a play in London in 1719, I believe, or maybe it was 1712, yes.

And a play about Avery the Pirate, although it's vaguely described as by Charles Johnson,

and the man has a pseudonym that's meant to be Avery.

Everybody gets a joke because everybody's looking for Avery.

He's got a bounty on his head, but most importantly, he has a treasure that he's hidden somewhere.

They all want to know where he is.

They come laughing out of the play.

And Rex had come to you.

Defoe wrote that play, didn't he?

Did you discover, did you know that DeFoe was making all this up and they were laughing all the time?

Not at all. In fact, I knew very little by the time that I'd looked at that. I hadn't been really interested either.

I mean, what has interested me is just how much I didn't know and how much I didn't

imagine would come out of this, this find and discovery. Otherwise, I might have wasted a lot more

of my life pursuing things which I wasn't capable of pursuing, and which Sean has done in a remarkable fashion to entertain me as well as

other people are going to read the book.

I think this is, what is really, what we've found is another aspect of the product of piracy, the people who go into it.

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