Hey, everybody. It's Tim O'er from The Bullwork. I was on with my girl Nicole Wallace for a full hour today.

And we covered some of the same ground that I covered in depth with Chris Hayes over the shutdown and the ways in which Trump is losing his anti-establishment cred.

And so you should definitely go check out that Chris Hayes podcast video if you haven't.

At the top, though,

we really talked a bit about the economy and Trump losing the narrative around the economy.

And I wanted to expand on that and kind of tie it into that broader conversation about why I'm a little bit more bullish on the Democrats' handling of this shutdown than some other people you're hearing from out here.

And that's just because my view of this right now, if you've been around here, you know this, has been.

I'm not rooting for this.

I don't want this to happen.

But like the number one way for us to get out of this mess

is for Trump to absolutely fuck up and botch the economy. Like that's the easiest way out of us.

It's not a guaranteed way out of it. Okay. That's why sometimes like when I jomey hit you on,

I was asking, I was like, why happened the people of West Virginia turned away from Republicans running West Virginia?

They've mismanaged the economy.

It's not a guarantee.

But I just think if you look at all the political science, all the focus groups that Sarah does, all of the reality of what we've learned from recent election years.

The number one thing people are responsive to is to how their lives are going economically

and how they're experiencing the economy and how they feel that how responsive they feel

politicians are being taught.

And right now on all those scores, Donald Trump is just stepping on rake after rake after rake.

Like, this is not opium.

It just is.

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