Hey, everybody. One of the very first things that Donald Trump did when he took office was to begin

dismantling global aid. He has taken tens of billions of dollars out of assistance. He has

destroyed the U.S. Agency for International Development. Now, as this was all happening, they kept

the administration, its defenders kept saying, it's okay. It will not make a big difference.

We have somebody here today who can talk about that, who can tell you what's really

happening on the ground. It's a tool Gawande, the award-winning writer, surgeon. He was

director of global health programs at USAID, and he's a former current writer at the New Yorker.

Together with a New Yorker, he has put together a documentary called Rovina's Choice

that can really show you what's happening now,

what the real human cost of these cuts are.

Atoll, thanks for joining us.

It's great to see you, Jonathan.

Thanks for taking on the subject.

I want to show people a clip from the video, but before we do that for you, I want to for taking on the subject. I want to show people a clip from the video,

but before we do that for you, I want to kind of set the scene. There were so many developments

that were executive orders. There were cuts. Can you just summarize what has happened to USAID

and global assistance under Trump? Well, let me go even just one week before it all happened, because I was the outgoing leader

of global health at USAID, and I did not see what was happening coming at all.

This is an agency that has had bipartisan support for six decades since its founding by John

F. Kennedy, and the work that it had done, I got to lead the global health part where we had 2,500 people in 65 countries

working on problems like controlling HIV, eradicating polio, reducing maternal and child deaths,

and moving countries from, you know, extreme poverty to being

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