TikTok War - with Kara Swisher

Unholy: Two Jews on the News

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News, Yonit Levi, Israel, Israel Podcast, Jonathan Freedland, Middle East, Jewish, Religion & Spirituality, Jews, Society & Culture

4.7 • 680 Ratings

🗓️ 10 November 2023

⏱️ 59 minutes

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As the conflict between Israel and Hamas enters its fifth week, there’s an increasing focus on a radically new front: the information war fought out on social media. Yonit and Jonathan talk to Kara Swisher, widely regarded as the most influential tech journalist in the world. What role is TikTok playing – and is it the algorithm or the likes of Tehran, Moscow and Beijing that is shaping what hundreds of millions see? Plus: does international pressure mean the clock is ticking on Israel’s military operation to eradicate Hamas as a fighting force? -- Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/unholypodcast/and X: https://x.com/2jewsonthenewsJoin our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1150578065793142See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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0:00.0	Week five of the war, the world is growing impatient, growing calls for a ceasefire or a humanitarian pause.
0:08.2	Israel concerned this will allow Hamas to regroup.
0:11.2	And we want to talk about the social media war waged alongside the war in Gaza.
0:15.4	Why does it seem that Israel is losing that war?
0:17.9	We will have Kara Swisher on to discuss.
0:19.7	It's unholy.
0:20.7	I'm Unit Levy of Channel 12 in Tel Aviv.
0:22.6	And I'm Jonathan Friedland of The Guardian in London.
0:26.6	Unholy, two Jews on the News from Keshepp podcasts.
0:41.1	As you say, week five, it all feels actually like one long week or one blurb of time.
0:46.3	A long day, really.
0:47.8	One long day.
0:49.1	It hasn't stopped.
0:51.0	It is sort of relentless.
0:53.3	A milestone of sorts passed this week with the figure,
0:58.6	and I know it's a contested one because it comes from the Gaza Health Ministry, which we and
1:03.2	others point out is controlled by Hamas, but a figure of 10,000 dead in Gaza. And it is obviously
1:10.3	a terrible number, a huge and tragic figure. And I have
1:16.3	noticed that even people outside Israel who are sympathetic to Israel's predicament and believe that
1:23.0	after the atrocities of the 7th of October, Israel has to hit back, it has to eradicate Hamas
1:30.0	as a fighting force. This figure and the speed with which it's happened, people are really
1:36.0	struggling with it. And that's why there's so much sympathy for these calls for a ceasefire and
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