Good evening and welcome to three moves ahead. I'm your host, Bruce Garrick, and today I'm here to talk about

modern love, not modern love. What was, oh, modern war, sorry. Yeah, I knew it was one of those two things.

With game designer Mitch Land, Mitch, how are you?

I'm fine, Bruce. Thanks for having me.

Well, thanks for coming on. I'm, I guess you are responsible for two of the games that I'm most looking forward to in the GMT lineup, those being Silver Bayonet and Next War Poland. But we'll talk about Silver Bayonet in a while. But I really want to talk about modern war. And, you know, you have a series of games that encompasses everything from Taiwan to Korea and India

versus Pakistan to Poland and Russia and NATO in Europe.

You started designing these as sort of an update of the previous thing we had talked about this maybe on the Silver Baynet podcast.

But as I understand, you were really jonesing for an update of the Korea game from 1995.

And Gene said, you know, I don't have time for this right now, so if you want it, you better do it yourself, and you did. So what was it about that

game that you, that made you think, gosh, somebody better redesign this. I'm going to have to do it

myself. Yeah. So the game itself, I really like. I like the system their show. I'm going to have to do it myself. Yeah. So the game itself I really like. I like the system, obviously, because that's, you know, I wanted to do it.

And like you said, I was Jonesen for an update for it. I think it's just a really good system. It's relatively clean.

It has lots of good little tools to depict modern warfare and things like that.

So, you know, I really liked it.

And I've always, I've always been drawn to games, you know, modern, near modern or even now

what's past, you know, World War III type stuff.

Well, tell me about that.

Tell me about were you, I mean, I don't know if you were playing games at that time, but like in the, you know, middle, late 80s or whatever, were you looking at those games like, you know, GDW's assault and that, you know, there were so many NATO games and whatever. And I know there was China Wars. That was one of my favorites from way back when it. Did you like those games back then or were you even playing then?

Yeah, you know, I had like, so I started out on my modern thing, like Central America and NATO, the next war in Europe. The whole fleet series, I love those games. Yeah, all the victory games, yeah. Yeah, you bet. And then, you know, some other, you know, kind of got a little bit hooked into the early

versions of Harpoon and keep wanting to go back, but it's, it's a, that's not a simple system. Now, did you play it on the computer, by the way? I did. Yeah, I was addicted to that thing on the computer. I could never win, but that's okay. No, I could neither. That's interesting. yeah, the game was tough.

But yeah, so you just liked it.

Is it the sort of speculative win. But that's... No, I couldn't either. That's interesting. Yeah. The game was tough.

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