I'm Pastor Mike Winger and this is Bible Thinker the program dedicated to thinking

biblically about everything.

Hey and welcome to the Tuesday live stream here's the problem we're dealing with today

there's influential people in very influential people right now in the in the church

whether they're actually part of the church or not I'm not going to comment on

But they're denying and even demonizing demonizing central aspects of the meaning of the cross that's like there's things that the cross means

This is what the cross is about based upon scripture and they're not only saying that's not true they're saying it's evil

That's kind of a big deal and so I'm doing this series right now

You know getting into the idea that Jesus really did die in my place and he suffered the

penalty for my sins we call this penal substitutionary atonement one label to give it but

the idea that those elements are in the gospel they're part of the message of the cross and we need to hold to these

things and of course this is under attack the gospel is always under attack and we here we

stand as believers our job is to know the know the word know the gospel in

particular and to hold to it and to proclaim it.

So that in the face of those attacks we're the one saying, hey, here's the purity and the

truth of the gospel.

That is our job, that is our goal, and it is probably one of the most important things we do.

So it is under attack, but here's the things they'll say. They'll say that penal substitution, or the idea that Jesus died in my place, taking the punishment for my sin, that he suffered the punishment for my sins,

that this is cosmic child abuse or it turns God into a pagan deity who's out for blood.

I use quote marks with my fingers here because this is what they say I'm

hearing I'm quoting the guys who say this kind of stuff. Sadly this is where a lot of

the conversation is and I even hear this stuff entering into pulpits and

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