The innovation that would bring us to this better world is as much social as it is technical,

and we can't separate those two modes of innovation.

Hello and welcome to Tech Won't Save Us, a podcast that's always trying to think about ways that we can make technology to better serve the public good and our social goals.

I'm your host, Paris Marks, and today I'm joined by Ben Tarnoff.

Ben is a co-founder of Logic Magazine and a co-editor with Moira Weigel of Voices from the

Valley.

Tech workers talk about what they do and how they do it.

It comes out in October and you can pre-order it now.

Ben is also a writer who is written for The Guardian, Jacobin, and a number of other publications.

In our conversation, we talk about different ways of developing technology

that would better serve the public good and how those can be informed by struggles and actions

taken in the past. We also discuss a bit about how tech workers have been organizing in recent years

and what that might mean with the election in the United States in November. If you like our

conversation,

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Enjoy the conversation. Ben, welcome to Tech Won't Save Us. Hey a supporter. Enjoy the conversation.

Ben, welcome to Tech Won't Save Us.

Hey, Paris.

Thanks for having me.

So obviously, I wanted to speak with you because you have this really great perspective on technology, the future of technology, and also how we can draw inspiration from the past

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