That word control is the key one there, right? We spend a lot of time focused on what technology does.

What we should really focus on is who it does it for and who it does it too.

Hello and welcome to Tech Won't Save Us, a podcast that knows we need to take on the power of the tech giants before we can build a better future of technology.

I'm your host, Paris Marx, and today I'm joined by Corey Doctoro.

Corey is a science fiction author, activist, and journalist.

His most recent book, How to Destroy Surveillance Capitalism, is available for free on 1-0.

You can find a link in the show notes.

His new fiction book, Attack Surface, comes out on October 13th, and Corey's actually

running a Kickstarter right now where you can pre-order a digital or audio version.

And you can also go to pluralistic.net where you can find Corey's daily blog.

Today on the show, we talk about how we shouldn't see the sales copy of the tech giants

and what their PR firms put out as an accurate reflection of what they can actually do.

And that if we ever really

want to address the problems that come with big tech, we need to break it up and take on its power.

This is a really insightful interview, and I think you're really going to enjoy it.

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Corey, welcome to Tech Won't Save Us. Thank you very much. It's a pleasure to be on.

It's great to speak with you. In the book,

you outline how you see technology through the lenses of idealism and materialism. And so I was

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