Everything else being equal, a transit system or an energy system that is more equitable on the user end also involves less resource use on the extractive end.

Hello and welcome to Tech Won't Save Us, a podcast that's really interested in seeing the bigger picture with technology.

I'm your host, Paris Marx, and today I have the great pleasure to be joined by Thea Rio Francoz.

Thea is the author most recently of resource radicals from petro-nationalism to post-extractivism in Ecuador, which was published by Duke University Press, and last year she was also a co-author

of a planet to win Why We Need a Green New Deal from Verso Books.

Thea is a fellow at the Radcliffe Institute and an assistant professor of political science at

Providence College. She's also written for a number of publications, including the New York Times,

The Guardian, N plus one, and many more. Today's episode goes on a little longer than usual,

so I'll keep the intro short. We talk about some really key questions, including the supply

chains of all these technologies that we rely on in our everyday

lives and that are supposed to kind of save us from climate change, with a particular focus

on the resources, where those resources come from, and the impacts of all that extraction

in those communities.

Thea's work specifically focuses on Latin America, and we talk about how Latin American

governments have used resources to improve the

conditions of poor and working class people, but also how that has had negative impacts in certain

communities, especially those of indigenous peoples. And Thea really cements how we need to think

about the future in a way that is both sustainable and creates a good life not just for those of us in the global

north, but also in the global south. If you like our conversation, please leave a five-star review

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