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Happy Tuesday. Welcome to the fifth thing with Amy and Kat.

It's Amy and Kat Chat, and yes, Kat is a licensed therapist.

Now, if you've been with me for a very long time, you know, the fifth thing has changed a little bit.

I've changed it a few times.

I've gotten a few emails, I guess I had noticed when I'm going through things that are like,

oh, you know, it seems like the fifth thing now is just a therapy podcast and not all of us need

therapy. And I thought, okay, well, that's a good point. Like, I can take that constructive

criticism if that's what it is, or that insight that input the feedback, yeah, to maybe try to

not make it so therapy-ish all the time, even though you're a licensed therapist and you host a

podcast called You Need Therapy. And I am in so much therapy, and I often feel like, yeah,

we just naturally gravitate towards that. But you're also capable of other forms of conversation.

Which I know, so. Yeah. So, we'll, you know, we'll be aware of that. Yeah.

The quote I'm going to share today is actually off some Christmas cards that I saw.

And one of them was, don't get your tinsel in a tangle. And I was like, oh, this is funny,

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